【J】You mentioned that you also design other products, what do you think are the differences between bathroom products and other kinds of products, say furniture?

　　【J】您之前說您還設計其他產品，您覺得衛浴產品和其他產品有什么不同么?比如家具?

　　【TN】For me first of all each company partner is different. It’s different story, it’s different people. I’m not trying to always do something with another parter, for me it could also be in the same field. Even if I work with different people different company like in furniture, it’s another story another culture another country, another…everything is new. Obviously the only common thing in this case is my participation. So when I focus on innovation I just focus on this relation for the project. I’m not thinking about if it’s different if it’s better. So I think it’s really like a story and fortunately I can live different stories.

　　【TN】對于我來說所有的合作公司都是不同的，都是不同的故事，不同的人。我也不是只和不同公司合作，也可以在相同領域里合作。即使我和不同公司合作，比如家具公司，也是另一個故事，另一個文化，另一個國家，另一個……所有事情都是全新的。當然在這種情況下，維持不變的就是我的參與。當我專心創新時我全身心投入在項目里，我并沒有去想這有哪些不同或者是不是更好。所以我覺得這整個過程就像是個故事，而我很幸運能活在很多不同故事當中。

　　【MV】We have Mr. Magrans joining us, Laufen Chief of CEO.

　　【MV】勞芬的CEO Magrans先生也會加入到我們的訪談中。

　　【J】I’ve read in other interview that functionality is the most important thing for your design, do you consider that to be your design philosophy?

　　【J】在過去的訪談中您提到在您設計中，功能是最重要的，這是您的設計理念嗎?

　　【TN】Functionality is very important, it’s one of the important issue. For me, functionality is a little bit restrictive because my motto is to make products which make sense so it could be without functionality if it makes sense. In the case of the project INO with SaphirKeramik the functionality is very important because we are talking about the bathroom, a place where people use everyday, and it has to work, you cannot say that I don’t know where to put my things or it’s too sharp it’s hurting or the bathtub is not comfortable enough. So in this case the functionality I think is very important because there’s a clear relation between the user and the objects which are the ceramic part of the bathtub the washbasin and any piece of the furniture. So yes it’s an important point. My thinking is really to achieve some new products in corporation with the company. So what I was saying before it’s more of my approach, is really to work in team, to make the people believe in the project then bring the project forward. Because in my experience if you bring something that people really don't believe in the company, it never works. When the people say that they want to do it, it happened with SaphirKeramik because also the people from the development especially for SaphirKeramik, for them understood that it was a challenge and we were excited to do it, this is very excited also for me, that the people are willing to do it.

　　【TN】功能非常重要，這是其中一個重要的點。對于我來說只談功能有些太限制了，因為我的理念是設計“合理的”產品，所以即使是一個沒有“功能”的產品，只要它“合理”對我來說也是可行的。然而在使用藍鉆陶瓷的INO系列中，功能是非常重要的，因為這是衛浴產品，人們天天都使用它，所以它必須能很好的運作，不能說我不知道我的東西能放哪，或者造型太尖銳傷到人，或者浴缸使用起來很不舒服。所以在這個案子里，我認為強調功能是必須的，因為用戶和產品之間有著非常明顯的相互作用關系。除此之外我覺得必須要和公司一起合作來開發新產品，所以就像我之前所說的，需要團隊合作，需要人們相信這個項目并一起讓它變得更好。在我的過往經驗中，如果人們不相信，這項目永遠不會成功。而藍鉆陶瓷這個項目，從研發團隊來說，他們理解我的設計挑戰，而且也很為之興奮，因此對我來說也變成了一個大家愿意投入的很令人興奮的項目。

（藍鉆陶瓷INO系列生產過程）